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23rd May 2025

Forced to work 2 hours/day. Here’s what happened.

In this episode, a CEO’s forced digital detox during a European vacation reveals how just two hours of focused work a day can unlock sharper priorities, empower your team, and expose the hidden cost of micromanagement.

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Welcome to Repeatable Revenue, hosted by strategic growth advisor , Ray J. Green.

About Ray:

→ Former Managing Director of National Small & Midsize Business at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, where he doubled revenue per sale in fundraising, led the first increase in SMB membership, co-built a national Mid-Market sales channel, and more.

→ Former CEO operator for several investor groups where he led turnarounds of recently acquired small businesses.

→ Current founder of MSP Sales Partners, where we currently help IT companies scale sales: www.MSPSalesPartners.com

→ Current Sales & Sales Management Expert in Residence at the world’s largest IT business mastermind.

→ Current Managing Partner of Repeatable Revenue Ventures, where we scale B2B companies we have equity in: www.RayJGreen.com

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Transcript
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A few weeks ago, I took my

family on a vacation to Europe.

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We went to Spain, we went to

Italy, we went to France, and

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this wasn't a, a work vacation.

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We actually do plenty of those.

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We travel quite a bit, and as long

as I've got, you know, a laptop

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and a wifi, I am, I'm pretty solid.

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Like this was the gonna be

an actual vacation, right?

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Because for the most part, I, I didn't

know if I was gonna have connectivity.

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Um, a lot of the normal

calls that I, I have.

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On my calendar, I wouldn't be able to

do because of the time zone difference.

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And our schedule was gonna

be unpredictable, right?

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And I didn't want to be on a, on a set

schedule, but I, I knew I'd have basically

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like an hour or two while I'm working

out each day to find some wifi and plug

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into the business and get shit done.

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So, you know, if you've, if you've

been around me or my content long

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enough, you know what I, I love Tim

Ferriss and I love the four hour work

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week, and I love lifestyle design.

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But if you actually look at my calendar.

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I, I suck at the four hour work week.

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Like I, I put in a lot of work and I put

in a lot of hours because, you know, I

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believe if you want to build something

significant and meaningful and you want

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to compress the timeline in doing that,

meaning you want to get there faster, like

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you're gonna have to work your ass off.

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Um, but what really surprised me about

this vacation and this trip was that

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being forced, at least temporarily,

like so, so being temporarily forced.

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To work less made me a better CEO and

the, the takeaway that I had was like, I

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created a constraint with this vacation

that actually forced some clarity out for

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me because, you know, when you've only

got one or two hours a day to work, your

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priorities get really clear, really fast.

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And like you, you get, you have

to get laser focused on what do

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I have to get done right now?

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Like, I've got 90 minutes to do this.

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What do I need to get done?

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And it, it's a forcing function to

get the most important and to a degree

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urgent, but like the most important

things to the top of the list.

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And I, there was no, you know,

checking Slack for the hell of it.

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There was no, let me catch up on emails.

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There was no, let me look at, you know,

some of the, the systems that we've got

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or the backend systems or you know, just

checking tasks that you know, oh, you

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know what, I forgot about doing this.

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Like none of that stuff.

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I didn't have time for it.

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Right.

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And, and so those things

didn't get any of my attention.

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And what I, what I realized,

especially coming back and, and

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sitting down, was I stopped reacting

to the noise within the business

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and I started filtering for signal.

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I.

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Right, like I forced, or I was forced

to, to only look at what was actually

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going to move the business forward.

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Like what are the critical issues,

the essential things that need to

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get focused today and or need to

get focused on today and not what's

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gonna make me feel productive, right?

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So like there's, I mean, if you're a

business owner, you know this, you can

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get to the end of the day, you can put

in 10, 12 hours and you can feel hyper.

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Productive in the sense that you

put in a lot of hours, but you still

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look back and you're like, did I

really move the needle forward?

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And this is a really good

way of identifying the

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things that have to get done.

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The high leverage, high impact activities.

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And it wasn't, it wasn't the result

of some productivity hack, right?

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Like it wasn't the, the result of

some calendar trick that I learned,

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like it was just forced on me.

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It was survival and the impact was.

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It really shaped or reinforced, I would

say the, the way that I think about

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time and leadership and leverage, right?

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Because the lessons that I'm,

that I'm sharing here, they

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weren't completely new, right?

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Like this, but it was, it was

refreshed, it was reinforced.

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And you know, there's a, there's

something called Parkinson's Law, right?

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Which is, um, you know, that

work expands to fill the time

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available for its completion.

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So if I give a, a presentation.

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16 hours on my calendar to get done.

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Chances are it's gonna take 16 hours.

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Right.

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Whereas if I say you only have

90 minutes and, and you have a

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constraint, that actually forces the

fact that you only have 90 minutes.

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You can get that presentation done in 90

minutes and you will hit the essentials.

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And this is.

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It's kinda like in, in school, you know,

when you cram, you know, like you, if

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you, if you start studying, at least

for myself, if I start studying weeks in

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advance, you know, I've done this before

where I start studying and then, you

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know, it takes me three weeks to basically

learn the same thing that I could learn

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in, you know, eight hours the day before.

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Right?

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So, so Parkinson's law says work

is going to take as much space

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on your calendar as you allow it.

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And this trip with my family because of.

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Lack of connectivity because of lack

of bandwidth and time and wanting to

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just focus on, you know, hanging out

with the family and spending time

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and experiencing like where we were.

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Like it forced me to flip

Parkinson's law on its head, right?

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Like it was, it's the opposite.

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So we compressed the schedule

down to, you know, one, two hours

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and that's all I had, right?

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So everything got contracted

and it got sharper.

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You know, there was, there was no fluff.

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There was no filler.

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It was, there was only enough time

to focus on high leverage execution.

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Right.

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And so that was one takeaway.

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The other thing that I, as I, as I was

thinking about this, was the, as as

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your time strengths, as, as you know, as

the, the, the, your calendar contracts,

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so does your grip on the business.

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And what I mean is the

more time that I have.

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The more I tend to clinging to

tasks that I could delegate.

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Right.

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Whereas being on this trip, you

know, I didn't have any choice.

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Like I, I had to let certain things

go and I had to look to my team

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and say, well, shit, like I've,

all I have is time to give you

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direction on what I need to get done.

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And all I have is time to coach and, and

give you some feedback or review what

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you're, what you're sending me instead of

controlling it instead of doing it myself.

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And that was actually a really good.

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Um, experience for my team, right?

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Because I, I, I was forced to push things

to them, to empower them to do things.

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And the result was they

made decisions on their own.

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They executed without

me being the bottleneck.

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They gained confidence because

they were like, Hey, I've

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gotta get this done my way.

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Ray is not gonna be able to

look at this before I send it.

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So, you know, they gained confidence.

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And then as a result, so did I.

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And I guess it, as it turns out,

your level of micromanagement is

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often in, in direct proportion.

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It's, it's, there's a directly

correlated to how much time

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you have to micromanage, right?

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So you take Parkinson's law,

which is like work will expand

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to the time that you give it.

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If you track it and you can press

the calendar, well then what are the

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things that tend to get tossed out?

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Well, one of 'em is micromanagement,

and I'm, I'm not by default

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like a, a micromanager.

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But it, there were a lot of things that

I typically would've either done myself.

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Or had more direct, like,

Hey, do it this way.

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You know, like step one, step two, step

three, and record a long loom video with

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very detailed, you know, instructions.

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Because I'm, I'm thinking that I'm

giving direction and I, I'm thinking

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that I'm giving coaching, but what I'm

really doing is I'm taking some of the

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decision making away and some of the

empowerment away from people on the team.

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When you don't have the time to do

it, you don't have the time to do it.

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You say, this is what the finish line

looks like, and then they go do it.

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Right?

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So that was, um.

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That was a, uh, a big,

a big lesson for me.

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So, you know, they,

all of this comes back.

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So I've, you know, I, I spend, you know,

a little more than a, a couple of weeks,

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you know, getting really focused on.

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What these high leverage, high impact

activities are, and then come back

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home and, and here's the cool part

is now that I'm back home and my

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calendar is, is full again, right?

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Like, now that I have the space, I like,

I've got, you know, eight, 10, if I

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need it 12 hours a day to, to do what I

need to, to move the business forward.

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The, the thing is, I've

kept that filter, right?

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I've, I've kept the filter of.

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Hey, let's, let's not start doing

all the stuff that I just didn't

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do for, for over a couple of weeks.

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Why don't I look at, now that I've got,

you know, six to eight more hours to, to

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focus, what are the other high leverage,

high impact things that I can do?

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Right?

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So I've added it back with more

firepower, I would say, and the.

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Uh, the clarity on what really moves

the business forward is, is really

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powerful and, and now I can use the

entire workday to double down on the

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biggest, most important things that

I should be doing, not necessarily

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that I'm holding that I shouldn't.

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Right?

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So like the, the two

hour constraint changed.

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Not just like how I was working for

a period of time, but it changed

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how I was, how I thought about some

of the work that I've been doing.

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And it's really been like a,

a turbocharger for, for me.

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And, you know, it would, so I mean,

my advice is like, if, if I wanted

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to make this actionable, it's like,

hey, can you do a two hour experiment?

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Right?

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Like, if you only had two hours a day

to work, what would you stop doing?

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And I know, like I've, I actually have a

friend of mine that, you know, has said,

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Hey, pretend it's four hour work week that

you've, you've only got X amount of times.

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And it's, it's so much more difficult

until you're really forced to do it.

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Um, but if you can create that

environment where you've really gotta

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think about, if I only had two hours,

like what would I stop doing right

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now and what would I double down on?

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Right, more and or more importantly,

if I only had two hours, what would

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really break in the business and what

would actually thrive in the business?

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And, and the answers might point you to

where you're potentially over involved

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as a, as a business owner, as a CEO,

uh, where you're under leveraged, um,

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or where you're holding onto stuff

that you know, really don't belong to.

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You don't belong to you because.

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One, somebody else could do it.

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Two, somebody else could

potentially do it better.

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And three, somebody else doing it

frees up your time to do stuff that

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you're uniquely qualified to do, right?

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So, you know, you don't, you don't

have to fly across the, you know,

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the world to, to run this experiment.

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Uh, but if you can compress your

calendar for a few days and, and take a

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step back and narrow your, your window

and narrow your focus and see what

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surfaces, um, it's, you know, it may be.

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I think a really good way to, to filter

what's truly important and what's needed

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to actually move forward and, um, and

move the business forward frankly.

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So, um, that's one of my lessons

or a couple of my lessons from

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that, from that trip that I just

wanted to, to pass on to you.

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And I, I hope it helps, and

this is probably something that

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I'll revisit because it's easy

to drift back into homeostasis.

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You know, if you've been like in a, in

a certain, uh, routine or a certain type

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of focus for a period of time, you know,

a couple weeks is like a good jolt.

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But it's easy to, to drift back.

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So this is as much for, for

me as it is for, for you, and

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um, I hope it helps Adios.

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Repeatable Revenue is hosted by Ray J. Green, an investor, entrepreneur, and strategic growth advisor to MSPs and B2B businesses. He's led national small business for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, run turnarounds as a CEO for private equity groups, and advised 100s of MSPs and B2B businesses on how to build sales teams and scale sales from Cabo, where he now lives with his family.

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